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that's all for holt. thanks for joining us. . this sunday morning where does the race stand now? we have brand new runners and i am talking to the front runners. plus remember this moment from the debate. >> watch a full fetus on the table and kicking and someone saying to keep them alive for the brain. >> how the fight over planned parent hood could shut down the government in ten days. >> how does a well known
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candidate win an election? itching closer to a run. finally how does it feel to be the wall street punching bag. my interview with gp morgan and chase. author and winner david for the washington post. molly ball of the atlantic nbc news shricer and hug hugh hewitt. this is "meet the press" with chuck today. >> good morning sunday morning after the public debate. we have results on who won the debate and where the race sta s stands. on the issue and for once they were right.
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they saw carly as the big winner and everybody else is in single digit. the names that you don't see is because they did not top one percent. where do we stand? trump did the field and more than double now of ben carson and then moving into third place at 11 percent and then again you don't see the candidate on there and nobody else topped three percent there. when you compare the survey and the results of the real clear politics average, you can see the gains and losses. ben carson lost the most. so with all of that in mind, we have three candidates this morning. mr. trump who joins us by phone.
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good morning. >> good morning chuck. i am like you all of the time. >> you like the poll numbers? >> i certainly do. >> you brought your bible to the event. >> yeah. >> what do you believe that a person's faith matters to voters? do you think that it should? >> i can't speak for everybody. they have liked me a lot. i went and spoke largely in front of the list and we had a tremendous time and we had a standing ovations and we had a lot of fun. i brought the bible and they liked that. my bible given to me by my mother. we had a great time. the polls indicate that i am doing a great job with them in iowa and elsewhere. >> in response to the question of the town hall in new hampshire, you tweeted that ayou're not obligated to correct
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anybody as president. isn't it appropriate at time to raise the level and to correct things out there so that we're all dealing with the same set of fact s fact? >> i think so. the president can defend himself very well. he is able do that. i sort of put myself in his position and what happens when someone says something about me, is he going to defend me. i got up and felt strongly and powerfully about something and whether we all agree with it or not, it was not my obligation to defend. i tweeted that this is the first time that i have gotten into hot water. >> the other part is that they want to get rid of muslims from america. that was the most definsiensivet
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to have question. why not do that? >> well, so many muslims that are fabulous people. there's a problem. there's no question about it. we can be politically correct and say that there's no problem. the question is that there's a problem with some and a problem taking place all over the world. i have respect and love for so many people. they're great people. >> can you imagine supporting or being comfortable if a muslim became president of the united states? >> i can say that, you know, it's something that at some point could happen. we will see. it could happen. would i be comfortable? i don't know if we have to address it, but we don't have to address it. some people say that it's already happened but you won't
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agree with that? >> well, why kantd ycan't you s he is a christian and born in the united states? >> well, i don't talk about people's faith. i am going to take his word for that. >> why not take the birth certificate for it's word? >> well, i don't want to discuss it. i want to talk about military and the vets and how bad they're treated. we're treating the illegal immigrants better than the vets. those are the things that i want to talk about. the other is a long complex subject that i don't like to talk about, and i want talk about it. >> don't you think that you will have more people on the message if you put the other thing to rest? >> no, i think that we have two things that are totally different. i just don't discuss it and it has not been brought up for a long time. you're bringing it up this
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morning. i am in to the world of jobs and military and vets. i discuss obama care because you see what is happening with the premiums. going through the roof. >> we're going to see a lot of world leader and hanging out in some of your buildings that your own. your outside counsel indicated that you may have a meeting and do you plan on trying to do that? >> well with, i heard that he wanted to meet with me and certainly i am opened to that and i know that people very talking. we will see what happens. i certainly like doing it. i have been saying that a relationship is so important in business and deals and country. if the president obama got along with pew tan, that's a fabulous thing. he does not respect the president.
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i am sure that the president does not like him a lot. >> let me talk to you about the pope's visit. he is talking about people that worship money. you're someone that likes to brag on how wealthy you are. what do you think about that? >> well, if he knew me, he would like me. he is a different pope. he has taken on big political subject s, and it's interesting. he has a way about him that's unique and nice. >> okay. donald trump i am going to leave it here. i know that we're trying to can i face to face and i look forward to that. >> me too. >> joining me now is dr. ben carson, and he is joining me from georgia. dr. car sorngs welcome back to "meet the press." >> i want to start with
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criticism of you. did you watch the debate. neither trump or carson has a grasp on the issues. carson is a christian gentlemen and a genuine conservative. what do you say to others like you but concerned that you're not ready for the job? >> i would say listen to what i actually say when i have an opportunity to say it something other than a one minute bite. that's a format that i have to go acustom to that's not the world that i live in. the time will come when i will be able to address that appropriately. >> do you view it that it's a manager and that you don't have to have a full policy? >> well, you have to have a substantial command. it's like me as a neuro surgeon.
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if i have a patient that had a kidney problem, i know about the kidney, but i don't know much about a renal specialist, and i would get a consult. >> recently you were talking and saying that you would be going after them in iraq but you would not go into syria. why? >> well, first of all i would use every resource available to us and that's financial resources, covert operations, everything that we have available to us. if that required ground troops, we would use those as well. it's unlikely that a coalition would form behind nothing. in terms of going into syria, i think that you have to have goals. one of the goals right now is to push them out of and that's the largest part that they have established. this is what makes them look
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very powerful. they also control and that's one of the largest energy fields. push them out of there. don't allow them to have control of that. i would be in favor of pushing them up into syria because there's going to be a lot of conflict with them there. let them fight each other because that's a complex situation in syria. you have the russians coming in there now and establishing themselves. you have the chinese starting to establish some contacts there. you want to be very careful before you jump into the middle of that situation. >> it's interesting. you're one of those that says you know what let them fight it out among themselves and then wait to see what happens and then clean up the mess later? >> that is something that would certainly be on the agenda to
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consider. >> let me wrap this up by dealing with what is going on with donald trump and a questionnaire that claimed that the president was muslim. let me ask you the question. should a president's faith matter. should it matter to vote ers? >> i guess it depends on what it is. if it's in consistent and if it fits within the realm of america and consistent with the constitution, no problem. >> do you believe that islam is consistent with the constitution? >> no, i do not. i would not advocate that we put a muslim in charge of this nation. i would not agree with that. >> would you consider voting for a muslim for congress? >> congress is a different story. it depends on who the muslim is and the policies.
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just depends on what anybody else says. if there's somebody whose of any faith but they say things and they're life has been consistent with things that will elevate the nation and make it possible for everybody to succeed and bring peace and harmony, then i am with them. >> i take it that you believe that the president of the united states is a christian? >> i believe that he is. i have no reason to doubt what he says. >> all right. dr. car sornson, i will leave i there. i look forward to speaking to you soon. >> okay. thank you very much. >> joining me now is the governor of iowa john kasich. welcome back to "meet the press." >> always love being on "meet the press." >> yes, sir. let me ask you. you did not get the greatest reception from some of the home
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state papering following the debate. cincinnati eninquire there was john kasich. someone wrote he's a threat in new hampshire but candidates aren't viz bring worried about him on the stage. what do you say about that? >> well, the debate that was like a demolition derby, i am fine. we all want more time and in a position to get more time. i don't want to be jumping in and saying what about me. that's not the way to do it. by the way, the way that this whole business works is state by state. not on a basis of what they think about you in nebraska. by the way in nebraska if they're not worried about me, i have to see where they're trashing me behind the scenes. we're doing fine. there were so many doubts if i could get on the stage and raise the money. our campaign is healthy, and we continue to rise.
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i am pleased where we are right know. >> right after the debate you were talking to a group of supporters and you said this when it comes to immigrants and this country. >> a lot of them do jobs that they're willing to do. that's why in the hotel you leave a little tip. >> now, some groups took offense to the story and that you stereotype. do you see why they're offended? >> yeah, i know that the head of the said that he appreciated my excepts. i have always said that the hispanics are such a critical part of the fabric of the united states. they occupy jobs from top to bottom. they're so critical to the country and god fearing and hardworking. if i need to clarify that, i will. they hold important conditions. i have a friend that's a doctor
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and oncology. that's just -- that shows you how crazy it can get. to be clear, i believe from top to bottom hispanics play a critical role in america not only today and go forward. >> i know that you're not a fan of addressing donald trump you issues. let me ask you the question this way when it comes to the president's faith. number one, should it matter what a president's faith is? >> i don't know about that. i have to think of what that means. i believe that the president in fact is a christian. if he was not a believer, that's his business. i blooif thelieve that he is. i do not agree with him and taking from those at the top and the robin hood affect. i don't buy that and then america should leave behind on the foreign policy. i don't buy that. let me suggest and i have said
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this this earlier today. let's respect it whether it's the president or teachers or rabbis, we need to have a great respect or the country begins to come undone. i may not agree with him, but i respect the office and the fact that he is the president of the united states, and hopefully i am going to be. >> would you have a problem with a muslim becoming president? >> i mean that's such a hypothetical question. the answer is at the oend testi end of the day, you have to go through things. the most important thing about being president is that you have leadership skills ask now what you're dog and help to fix and raise the country. those are the qualifications that matter to me. >> okay. kasich, i look forward to having you on again. >> thank you. >> there you have it. the marathon of the candidates. a lot to chew on and carson's
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offered up regarding hillary clinton's problem to maintain front-runner status and many have a familiar ring -- especially if you're al gore. was gore, many democrats whisper they like hillary but don't love her. as with gore, democrats lament that if she could only be like bill. it's standard some may say is unfair but help to explain why there is a missing spark on the trail and why the chatter about an alternative -- whether bernie sanders or joe biden -- is getting louder. >> have you considered bill as a running mate? >> like al gore in 1999, hillary clinton has inherited the per received bill clinton baggaged without channeling bill's charm to counter it. >> you know how much i love being interviewed. >> gore had trouble with the press. >> controversy over a canoe trip on a river with extra water pumped in to make it look better. >> she has trouble with the press. >> did you wipe the server? >> what, like with a cloth or something? >> the former vice president had trouble explaining fund-raising phone calls from the white house and a trip to a buddhist team. >> no controlling legal
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authority, no controlling legal authority, no controlling legal authority. >> the former secretary of state has trouble explaining the e-mails from her private server. >> i do not send classified material and i did not receive any material that was marked or designated classified. any material marked classified. nothing that was sent at the time or received was secret. >> gore ran away from clinton instead of running with him, signaling he'd offer clinton's policies without the private mess. >> i felt that what the president did -- particularly as a father -- i felt it was inexcusable. >> hillary clinton is never going to run away from bill but for now her campaign is keeping the most popular democrat in america at arm's length while also hoping to be burnished by his economic legacy. and hillary clinton has this additional challenge -- winning a third term for her party. >> i am not running for my husband's third term, i'm not running for barack obama's third term, i'm running if my first term. >> it's not that different from the obstacle george h.w. bush ran in 1988.
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he ran a campaign that claimed continuity was enough change while proving he could be his own man. >> i want a kinder and gentler nation. >> that worked for vice president bush, but gore could never thread the needle as effectively as he struggled with how much to hug bill. so far, hillary clinton appears to be using the bush 41 play book, trying to prove she's the change that voters need. a kinder, gentler obama. >> i get accused of being moderate and center. i plead guilty. i think sometimes it's important when you're in the elect ed arena, you try to figure out how to bring people together go-to-get something done. >> and a little news about joe biden and the potential candidacy. i want to tell you about one myth sources of mine want debunked, that's the idea that jill biden is not on board. in fact, that's s not true. the vice president's wife is on board for a 2016 run should the vice president decide to do it. let me bring in the panel, david
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maraniss who has a new book about the city of detroit. molly boll of the "atlantic," nbc news contributor maria shriver and radio talk show host and one of the moderators of the last day bait, hugh hewitt. david, i want to start with you. you're the closest thing that's crawled inside the head of the clintons. >> it's a deep and dangerous place. >> this hillary clinton issue, it's -- she's not bill, right. that's really what you hear from democrats. that's ultimately why they're not rushing, they're sort of waiting to rush. >> yeah, the hillary dilemma is fascinating. you know, going all the way back to 1974 when she drove from washington up to fayetteville so they could attach their stars together, it's helped their rise together but it's also hindereder in two important ways -- one is she doesn't have bill clinton's charisma and amazing campaign abilities. you know -- and theater. you talk about authenticity.
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i always have called bill clinton an authentic phony. he really is good at that. hillary, if you look at it just as theater is a phony-phony. she's not as good at it so that hurtser in comparison with bill. the other someone that because of bill clinton's history, there's been sort of an encrusted defensiveness to the clintons that hillary became sort of the poll star of defending her husband. and it became so second nature to her that i think that's what carried out through the e-mail problem as well. so i think she's had to overcome that. the parallel with al gore is fascinating because mrs. clinton, like al gore, is experienced, intelligent but also married to bill clinton and al gore wasn't. >> molly, you went through all that with -- earlier this week you wrote a fascinating piece like they can talk about all they want about repackaging clinton, trying to presenter in a different way but hillary is hillary and what you see is what you get. >> she is. at the same time, you talk about her having trouble coming out from under bill's shadow, separating herself from obama and it's because she herself is
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not very well defined for people. and her campaign keeps trying to make this not about her, make it more about the policy or the substance, that's the ground she's most comfortable on, but it's always going to be about her and she has trouble creating an image of herself in people's mientds that really stands out and so you have her saying things like "i'm comfortable in the center, i want to brung everybody together." her new line now that she's stopped saying "everyday americans" because they decided that was weird. so the new line is -- >> because the every other day americans, who are they, right? >> i personally am a weekend american, that's how i identify. so she has a new line "i want to be the president who's about the issues that you see on your tv screen and the issues that keep you up at night." so she's literally saying people "i'm for whatever you're for and that's my identity." >> and that goes to this phony issue. this perceptions but of is she just saying what i want to hear? >> it's difficult to put your finger on what's there. >> i think if we take a step
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back, she does have a tremendous amount of respect and a tremendous amount of support and i think to compare her to bill clinton is a little unfair. she does have a long record, she's done a lot for middle-class americans, she's arguing to try to be the first female president of the united states and women ultimately will be the deciders of this election, be they republican or democrat. >> but, maria, you and i were talking earlier, i want to shift to biden. right now biden's never had it like this positively about a presidential race. he's only hearing from people that are saying "go do this, go, go, go, i'm with you." and trust me, you're hearing about it and it feels good to be drafted, right? you've had some experience with this in your family. >> that's true. let me just say i have so much love and respect for vice president biden and i think millions of people do and i think if you watch him even just recently on stephen colbert it was one of the best interviews i've ever seen of a public official. >> there was nothing phony about. >> that he's authentic, he's
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likable, people identify with his story, with his loss, i think he's done more for the issue of father hood than probably any other public servant. but having been involved with someone in my family who was drafted who was so important, you only heard the great thing, run, teddy, run. almost overnight polls went from "we love you we love you" to "what are you doing in this race?" >> this is ted kennedy in 1979. >> he was so popular and literally overnight it was like "what are you doing here?" so i think you have to be careful in these draft movements. you're never as popular as before you announce and you're never as popular of the day of your inauguration. >> hugh, i know you have a lot of feelings about joe biden but i want to stick to your party. react to what ben carson said about a muslim president. you're a religious guy. you study these things almost like a -- >> i'll be going from here to mass at st. matthew's cathedral and i believe in article vi of the constitution which is there shall be no religious toast enter into the' presidency."
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that's why i wrote about mitt romney in 2007. so i'm surprised. i'll follow up on that. i think the answer oubt to be, president obama is a christian, anyone is eligible, william penn, charles carroll, the first catholic signer of the declaration of independence, they'd be taken aback that religion is a hot baht on the issue in 2015. it ought not to be. we have more to talk about. planned parenthood insisted everything carly fiorina said about the planned parenthood tapes at the debate was "flat out false." fiorina which allergy? eees. bees? eese. trees? eese. xerox helps hospitals use electronic health records so doctors provide more personalized care. cheese? cheese! patient care can work better. with xerox. that's it. how was your commute? good. yours? good.
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and stay ready for everything that is still to come. in this week's nerd screen, we'll look at the republican voters who are gravitating to the outsiders running if president, trying to get a better idea of who they are and here's how we define the outsiders. they're the candidates who have never held elected office, carly fiorina, donald trump and ben carson. in the latest nbc news/marist poll wes did out of iowa and new hampshire, these three candidates alone combine for more than 50% of the total republican vote. so you get an idea of who these people are.
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so who are they? well, most of them are unmarried, most are not college graduates and most call themselves conservative or very conservative. now, the unmarried and non-college grads tend to be more worried about their pocketbooks because they don't have two incomes or a degree to fall back on which makes candidates who have never served in the government and therefore trornt blame in their eyes for the economy look like better choices. but it's the conservative or identifying as conservatives who really matter. why? because in 2012 those folks who called themselves conservative or very conservative accounted pharma jorty of primary voters in new hampshire and a huge majority of iowa caucus goers. that's the good news, having the support of this chunk of the electorate ideologically is a big deal. now, here's the down side of this coalition, unlike conservative, people without a college degree, or who are unmarried, tend to be less likely to vote during the primary season. they may be general election voters, that i don't always participate in primaries and this may be something that means that their numbers of the
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winner of wednesday's republican debate by republican voters. one moment of hers that has gained extra attention is the claim about the undercover planned parenthood tapes. here's what she said. >> watch a fully formed fetus on the table, its heart beating, its leg kicking while someone says "we have to keep it alive to harvest its brain." >> awfully graphic there. fiorina was presumably talking about highly edited tapes made by an anti-abortion rights group and now fiorina's super pac has doubled down on it, putting out an online video that appears to show what fiorina described. we won't show this on amara right now. but planned parenthood says of crede's claim "this is completely and totally untrue, every part of what she said is flat out false." planned parenthood says the fetus shown in the video was from stock footage edited into the tapes by the anti-abortion rights group and is not related to a planned parenthood health center. a non-partisan fact checking service called politifact says
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the anti-abortion rights group took an interview with a woman identified as a former tissue procurement technician talking what about she saw and edited the fetus video on to that interview. and politifact rated fiorina's as mostly false. highly charged issue, abortion always is. hugh hewitt, did fiorina go too far in her description here? >> i want to borrow from jack nicholson in a few good men "planned parenthood can't handle the truth." if the president of the united states wants to shut down the government over these videos i hope they take kathy mcmorris roger, the chairman of the house republican conference, and have her speak three times a day with the shutdown with those videos rolling in the background. i watched them, i heard the technician. i believe carly fiorina intended to say that if you hear someone talking about this -- because that -- they're so terrible, they're so awful that they get jumbled in your head and you have to avert your eyes because it's murder. and so if planned parenthood wants to occasion the endless
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roll of those videos, which they're doing, they'll stand there all day. but if the government shuts down and the president shuts the government down in order to fund planned parenthood's trafficking in body parts, that that's how they handle it. >> maria, i don't think planned parenthood believes this is what they're doing. go ahead. >> i think we can take a deep breath. you talked about what carly fiorina intended. that's different than what she actually said. you would agree that, correct? >> she should have said "i heard the technician talking about this." but in that -- >> and everybody's agreed these videos are highly edited and we can also take a step back and sayed that planned parenthood does a lot of -- >> i wouldn't call it highly edited. this is highly edited. >> this is live. >> well, yeah, but it's been edited in interviews chuck did earlier. >> but planned parenthood does a lot of good work. >> i'll stipulate on that. >> low income families -- >> but they should not be funded by the federal government if they're going to trade in baby
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parts. there shouldn't be a dime for them. >> they do health care work on behalf of women, they do testing, they do breast exams, there's a lot they do. >> not with my money. >> they don't trade in selling of body parts. >> molly, this is probably going to shut down the government and republicans are fighting -- i mean, hugh was -- i think you were doing your best, you wanted to put it on the president. the fact, is republicans are in disagreement with how to handle this issue. it's highly charged. the base of the party, frankly, most of the republican party, want this is to be their alamo. >> absolutely. and you heard a number of candidates on the stage on wednesday night saying that they would agree with going there and you do have a lot of conservatives -- >> there was about half of the field was for it, i want to put up a graphic, and half of the field was against it. you can see here on screen of who was for it, using planned parenthood to shut down the government and those -- and it does split along your governing and non-governing lines. >> absolutely. and you have republicans saying well, first of all, how is this political poison when we just
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did it a couple years ago and went on to winning by the the midterms? so this argument that we can't do it, it will kill the party, we'll never win a presidential election, a lot of them don't buy it. you have mitch mcconnell saying we can't do this, john boehner saying we can't do this and conservatives have heard this from them again and again and they are tired of it and they want this to be the hill they die on. >> yet i think some of the more progress mat i can republican strategists look at the 2012 election and say obama used defund planned parenthood as a way to motivate women voters in places like virginia and colorado. >> i respectfully disagree with mr. hewitt on this and i think it is going to resound most to the benefit of hillary clinton. >> do you? >> i do. i think she can -- that issue is a winner for democrats, not for republicans. it's fine for them in the primaries but not in the general election. >> i don't think american people want to see the government shut down. they want to see solutions. >> i covered the '95 shutdown from the inside of the republican revolution and it was a disaster. and the last one wasn't as much
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but i think over this issue it will be. >> but, hugh, it's interesting. carly fiorina grabbed this issue away from mike huckabee, away from ted cruz. she's now the face of this. short-term politics, this is probably pretty good for her in the republican primary. >> she dominated the stage and i scored it, she won the gold and marco rubio got the silver and chris christie or jeb bush got the bronze but no one made a mistake. what she did is captured every moment that would mobilize voters, scott walker, by the way, is also very strong on this issue. he hasn't gone around -- he's running the "harry potter" book series i was telling molly. [ laughter ] it's the fourth "harry potter" book, the same story, he goes down and comes back up. he had good numbers on this, he's good on this issue in iowa. she captured emotional resonating issues in iowa and new hampshire and it will serve her and scott walker very well. >> we shall see. it's very different in a primary versus general. all of this will be tested. later in the broadcast, why the visit to the united states this week by pope francis may have as much to do about politics as it
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it's not easy being the face of wall street, the top .0001% of the country. when both political parties see you as the problem of america's growing income inequality. that comes with the territory of being the top man at j.p. morgan chase but still, some of jamie dimon's views might surprise you. i caught up with dimon in detroit, a city his company is investing a lot of money in to rebuild and i started by asking him why his bank is spending so much money in detroit. >> so j.p. morgan has a history in detroit. then we saw all of a sunday a governor, republican, and a mayor, mayor duggan, a democrat, start to talk in a way we thought was right. it wasn't about ideology, what does detroit need? they need street lights on. they need better police, they
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need sanitation. they need better schools and businesses. it's hard. they have to make that -- everywhere, you can't do it one at a time. and we saw them being practical and not ideological and not partisan. we said we can see whether we can help. so we sent a team of people in to see what j.p. morgan can do to accelerate the survival and hopefully the thriving of detroit. >> you're doing this for pr because people are so mad at the banks or are you doing this because it's good for the bottom line? >> it's -- we're doing it because it's good for the bottom line because we're here. we want -- i love america. i want america to do great so when we see problem we try to help. >> let me borrow a phrase we're hearing a lot "china is killing us." is china killing america? >> absolutely not. you saw recently they had a bump in the road and it was just a speed bump that showed you that the transition to where they are to where they're going won't be that easy. they're very smart, they're very educated but they have to move to real market reform and let
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the market make certain decisions, they have to broaden out what you might call their democracy, the 100 million people voting inside the communist party and they'll have bumps in the road. >> should we be concerned that they hold so much of our debt? >> to the extent they're a peaceful neighbor, we try to help them. they own a trillion and a half u.s. dollars. our economy is worth a hundred trillion dollars. >> so this is a fear you think is unfounded? >> absolutely unfounded. >> the history of coming out of recessions. usually there's a faster acceleration in economic growth. we're not seeing that here. why? >> i give president bush, president obama, hank paulson, tim geithner, ben bernanke, for letting it not get worse. they didn't want to take the risk, nor should they have. i think since then -- i won't blame any side here -- we've had a series of things which i think slowed things down. for example, the debt ceiling crisis, government shutdowns,
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gridlock on taxes, budgets. we didn't finish immigration policy. those things are not good for america and i think -- i can never prove this, i think lad we done all those things including a simpson bowles, chuck schumer and mccain came up with a detailed immigration plan which is moral, right, and good for the country, if we did the trade, if we did those things we'd growing faster. >> so you're blaming washington. the economy, you're saying we would be at 3.5% growth without washington gridlock? >> i'm not going to blame washington because, remember, we elect those people. >> so you blame us? >> all of us. if we want people in washington to collaborate, let's elect people who will collaborate. >> we might be on the verge of another government shutdown. what do you say to conservatives in the house that are thinking about doing this? >> i think that people -- i tell them you guys compromise your family, you compromise your friends, you compromise with dinner, democracy is a compromise by nature, no at
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dictatorship. so anyone who says "my way or the highway" on one issue isn't necessarily thinking about the united states of america so i wish people would overcome that kind of stuff. a government shutdown is bad management. >> i'm going to get a bunch of e-mails that say "those fat cat wall street bankers they worry about their own compensation, he's paid too much." >> i completely understand because they see that things haven't gotten better for a large group of people. on the compensation thing, there are two things to say. if you took all the compensation of all the ceos of the top 500 companies in america, it wouldn't make a dent in this problem. so there are two things to keep in mind -- you're going to have free competition for people. you'll see in the sports, silicon valley, engineers, and that is a free market. you want that. that's companies -- people have capital sharing their wealth with somebody but to get the wage going, what makes wages grow? and at the end of the day it's economic growth. >> do you pay enough in taxes? do you think your tax should go up? >> i pay about, i think, 50% of
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adjusted income and 40% -- i get deductions for charitable contribution, etc. i pay. but let me change the question. if you said to me "would you pay 10% more?" i'd have no personal problem doing that at all. zero. i understand that i should be paying more than my assistant pays or something like that. what the american public also don't feel is that money that goes to washington may not be properly used. so if you're going to raise taxes, for god's sake make sure it goes to productive use that people know can be properly done -- infrastructure, education, et cetera. >> it seems like the campaign trail, whether it's hillary clinton or bernie sanders or jeb bush and donald trump all of them want to stick it to wall street in some of their tax plans and want to show the american public that they're going to stand up to wall street. do you understand why they're running against you? >> yeah. we had a crisis, a lot of people got hurt and the average american looks at what happened and they kind of blame wall street which is generally true, a lot of us were part of that
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problem and washington. and i would tell the american public it wasn't all banks. not all banks failed. a lot of these banks, what we did, we were so steadfast we lent money to everybody at the same price when the market wouldn't. so they couldn't get it here, they got it from us including illinois, california, new jersey, cities, school, states, hospitals, companies, you name it. so we were there in the bad times and all the -- but banks did bad things and people generically blame them. so we've -- i think it's a good sign when people admit they made a mistake -- which we have, we're part of making mistakes. >> you were a big supporter of the clintons over the years, in 2007 and 2008. will she make a good president and will you support her again? >> i am not going to get involved in politics at this point. >> why is that? >> i think you guys are doing a perfectly good job laying these issues out. >> but you did get involved in politics. you were a big donor and raised money for her last time. why not this time? >> i don't know. i might but i haven't decided. >> you can catch the rest of my
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interview including his take on why ceos do not necessarily have all the skills required to be president on our web site, before i go, david maraniss, i want to bring you in. enough book "once in a great city" that's a profile of detroit in its peak and when it started to fall in '62 to '64. detroit. the day i saw you in detroit jamie dimon was there, the vice president was there. there's a lot of action going on. is this real? is detroit's comeback real? >> it is, yes. and i've seen more energy every time i've gone back there. the midtown and downtown areas are booming. there's a lot of young people coming in reinventing themselves and the investment is there but you have to remember what detroit gave america. my book is about this magical time when it gave it not just the sound track of motown but also labor and civil rights and the middle-class. and until you can bring back that working middle-class into detroit, you can't call it a true renaissance. that is great start and i think it's starting to go from the symbol of a city of ruins to a
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city of hope but there's still a long way to go. >> the sense you get is people are now collectively rooting for it. it's a great book, check it out. back in 45 seconds. pope francis is in cuba this morning. why not everyone is enthusiastic about his visit to the u.s. this week. - you set rules around the house, right? so set rules for your kids when they go online: don't be a cyberbully. no racy selfies. and remember everyone can see everything you post, even grandma. rules keep kids safe online. the more you know.
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time now for "meet the press" "end game" brought to you by: what you're seeing here are live pictures of the pope. he's in cuba. revolutionary plaza. pope francis is holding a huge outdoor mass there. incredibly popular pope. he's been outspoken on his views about inequality and climate change and when he lands in washington, d.c. on tuesday he will not only have a religious schedule but a political one, too. maria, according to your shriver report snapshot poll of american catholics a full 86% think it's a good thing the pope emphasizes income inequality and issues over things like abortion and same-sex marriage. remarkable. >> and i think catholics were tired of the discussion about those other issues and they're really excited about this pope. it's historic he's speaking to
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the congress and in our poll it showed that they find his teachings very closely align with theirs and that they want political figures to also talk about these subjects. so i think that there's 70 million catholics in the united states who will listen very closely. they see him as a religious leader but also as a political leader. >> hugh hewitt, he'll speak before congress and probably mention climate changes. it will be uncomfortable for republicans, particularly conservative catholics. >> i won't be uncomfortable with anything he says. i'm looking forward to his visit here with card not dolan and then there's the huge family meeting in philadelphia. he's an energetic energizing figure for the church and any time a papal visit happens the church does well. >> david, we were talking earlier this week. you thought the pope's visit it was going to -- it's coming at a fascinating time in our politics. explain. >> yes. well, you had donald trump on earlier and i -- when i think of the pope i think mostly about the pope versus donald trump. and it will either be proved wrong or right very quickly.
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but my sense is the pope is such a stark contrast in what he represents from what donald trump and sort of the celebrity culture represents that it's going to get people in the middle thinking differently and it might have a profound affect on the republican race. >> molly, he's going to insert himself in the political debate in a way that -- i mean, i red george will this morning who just eviscerates the pope politically and you're just going "that what we're going see? the pope get politicized like this?" >> you've seen the white house try very hard to ride the pope's coattails. the president has talked a lot about trying to sort of embrace the pope's message, trying to sort of enlist the pope as an ally and i think, of course, the church doesn't want to be seen as on anybody's side but by emphasizing these issues, these liberal goals like the environment over the social issues that have been so divisive and that a lot of american catholics are not on board with. he's really changed the tenor, changed the tone of, i think, how outsiders perceive the
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church. how the rest of the country -- now non-catholics view the catholic church. >> maria, you were saying you were impressed with him as a politician. >> he's very strategic. liberals think he's liberal, moderates think he's moderate and conservatives think he's moderate to conservative and they like him much better than the "institution" or the church he represents so i think there's a lot political leaders can learn. he's an outsider. >> people call him a prophet 00's the people's pope yet he's kept people in the puce and he's bringing people the pews. it will be fascinating. i want to have fun here. it's a fascinating point. bernie sanders is starting to have fun trying to address this issue that he is a democratic socialist. take a listen. >> people call you a liberal and a socialist. why will you not accept those two terms as the insult they're meant to be. [ laughter ] >> does anyone here think i'm a strong adherent of the north
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korean form of government? [ laughter ] and i want all of you to be wearing similar color pajamas? >> molly ball, this is -- i've had a lot of sanders supporters say stop calling him a socialist like north korea that he is for for european democratic socialism. he is trying ing ting to redef word. >> but stephen colbert hit it on the head is because he refuses to take it at an i insult. people say "you, sir, you're a socialist!" and he says "guilty as charged, and then he can get to issues." it's working for him. >> the fact that he's showing a sense of humor, that's been bernie's problem. he needs to laugh at himself. that it was first time i'd seen that. wow, a packed show. we'll be back next week. big guest coming up next week. if it's sunday, it's "meet the press."
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right now the clock is ticking for people who park on philadelphia streets that run through the no papal parking zone this morning. this morning more streets will become off limits to parking. look at this fiery crash, an 18-wheeler and a car that collided last night. we have updated traffic information for you before you hit the roads. and as you step out you will feel a change in the air as we take a live look at center city philadelphia. a cooler start to the week, 62 degrees right now. tracking clouds, though, and the threat of showers. we can use some rain in this area. good morning. welcome to "nbc 10 news today." i'm chris cato.


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